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host and we have uh some holidays coming

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well Happy Hanukkah to all of you that

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celebrate Merry Christmas uh that's

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going to be happening before we're on

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next time I think it's Sunday if I got

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that day right but I hope everyone that

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celebrates either one of those uh I hope

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it's a it's a great one and uh I'll have

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a show before next year of course before

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the new year and Kurt jamungle is my

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next guest tonight

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tonight I I invited John Ramirez back

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and uh I had to switch dates it was

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going to be on the 27th because last

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time he was on the show I had uh

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internet really bad internet problems

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where I could not even hear what he was

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saying it was frozen on my end luckily

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the when someone else is on the internet

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like a guest

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um it works off of their internet so we

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were able to do the show but it was it

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was quite comical I couldn't understand

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what he was saying I didn't know what

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direction to go in because of that but

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anyway I had right away people were

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posting on the last video you should get

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them back you know right away and uh so

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he's here to he's joining us tonight uh

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we'll probably do an hour show maybe a

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little bit longer and uh you are welcome

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to post questions in the chat and to do

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that uh just put it in caps so I see it

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and uh some people will write me and say

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hey you never asked my question I like

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for a question to kind of fit where the

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conversation is going and where it is

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and sometimes I scroll back and I will

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ask a question later I can do that and

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we don't have any capability to take

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calls but there's going to be a new

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phone system put in at kgr a radio and

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eventually we will have that ability

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again to take calls during the show so

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this week's blog is a UFO crash in

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Aurora Texas and that had to do with uh

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the uh well it could have it could have

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been a hoax and that actually has a a

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question mark on it uh you know but that

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one is a very interesting case but a lot

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of it might have just been generated for

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from a newspaper article

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that was basically to get you know

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tourists in the area so we don't really

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know 100 sure there there was some

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people that did uh some shows on that

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trying to discover metal fragments and

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things like that and uh there was at

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that time back in the 1890s there were

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small dirigibles that were powered with

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a gasoline motor and they did blow up so

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that's a possibility but according to

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the witnesses there was a lot of

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aluminum and that wouldn't really I

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aluminum I may be uh totally wrong in

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that but I thought they were probably

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made out of some type of canvas and wood

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the way they did uh to ridgeables back

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then but anyway I'm really glad to have

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our guest on and I do want to thank

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everyone that supports the show

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very thankful for that and anyone can do

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that over at podcast

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ufo.com there's a little uh support the

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show and again I do appreciate all that

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and I do appreciate

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um everyone that listens to the show and

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uh you know once a year I should uh

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reflect back and just be grateful which

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I have been

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uh for all the people that do pay

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attention to the show and uh you know I

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was told that it's possible that some

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people pay attention to the show that we

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may not want them to kind of in a joking

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way uh you know whether it's uh it's not

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really uh every show but some shows that

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are interesting and this would be a good

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example tonight because I have a xcia

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agent so who knows who's uh checking

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that out but I'm sure uh that's a very

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big possibility uh anyway I'm bringing

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them on now John welcome back uh thanks

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for having me back uh hopefully this

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will go smoothly tonight yeah I feel it

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I feel it has I know you had an

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appointment showing up there right at

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the time we're starting the show so I

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appreciate you uh hiding in your bunker

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or wherever it is you are to uh to do

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this show I appreciate that a lot so uh

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I don't know exactly where we left off I

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thought we'd just have another

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conversation uh you know and because uh

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it you have so much to say you know

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that's the number one thing people put

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in the chat in the last show was hey you

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know he this guy has a lot to say and

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your show was too short

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so uh but uh I think it's it's

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fascinating and for uh I don't think we

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touched on it last time but I do

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remember you saying the first time that

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we talked over a year ago that there

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were a lot of people in the CIA that you

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found out also had an interest in the

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uh yeah that's correct

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um first of all you know the UFO issue

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um has never left CIA from the very

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beginning various offices had that what

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we call Accounts they're basically uh

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areas of analytical study called

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accounts and they had the UFO account

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until this very day it started with the

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office of scientific intelligence

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and it was a scientific intelligence

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branch that had it and then that came to

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be its own office of scientific

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intelligence and there were various

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intelligence office that had UFO account

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and arms control and to this very day I

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will tell you that the UFOs account the

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UAP account is being studied in the

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successor to um

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that office is the weapons and counter

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proliferation Mission Center it is

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primarily focused uh in the the Airborne

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parts of that Mission Center those who

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analyze uh air defense systems air

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and I think that's very significant

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because of the fact that these craft are

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transmedium uh going into and out of the

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water so people who analyze uh as their

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day jobs perhaps uh adversarial

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submarines will also take uh the

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transmedium UAP into account as well so

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it's still there and um so I'm sure you

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when people think that uh you know

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project boot book Blue Book ended in

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1969 and all of a sudden also have

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started uh funded in 2007 started off in

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2008 you know but that's it no that it's

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been continuously studied throughout

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uh the the history uh of ufology

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did you ever hear about the trans-median

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medium type of craft prior when you were

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actually at in the CIA before 2009 had

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uh not transmedium to to the extent

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um of knowing that these crafts go in

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and out of the water but I'll tell you

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one thing um I was not read into one

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particular compartment that the

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Department of Defense held through the

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compartments include including Q

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uh which is nuclear and including crypto

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which is codes and ciphers and those are

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two very very sensitive areas of

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intelligence but this one particular

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program was held by the Navy it was a

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special program in the Navy and for some

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reason the program manager when I was up

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to be read into it called up and said

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that I was not eligible to be read in

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that the department felt uncomfortable

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reading me in and I uh related that hey

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I think I know that submarines are used

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to collect intelligence that's that's a

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well-known fact you know I mean we did

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it during World War II and throughout

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all the uh uh subsequent Wars I mean

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submarines are intelligence collectors I

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know about that I know their sensors

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underneath the water to collect

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adversarial uh activities submarine

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transits for example he said no no no

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this this is the most compartmented

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of the Navy since the Manhattan Project

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nothing is more sensitive and you're not

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eligible and I go gee why is that I got

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Q clearance and I got crypto clearance

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those are the most too sensitive yes I

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know and I also was cleared for various

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special programs uh that CIA had special

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technical operations programs why not

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this and the only thing I could think of

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was that throughout my career when I was

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up for reinvestigation and you know the

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first one occurs after three years and

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subsequent to that every five years

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you're up for a reinvestigation and a

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complete new polygraph and during the

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invest reinvestigation I've had various

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investigators ask me questions about my

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hobbies and I've always said you know

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like one of my hobbies is well I like to

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study UFOs and ETS and I go to UFO

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conferences and a big fan of listening

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to Coast to Coast AM uh they dutifully

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wrote that in my security profile

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um and it never caused any problems I I

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go to UFO conferences and I had to tell

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CIA it's a branch of um the office of

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security it's called external activities

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and through external activities I'll let

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them know hey I'm going to a UFO

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conference on my own dime I'm taking

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annual leave using my own personal time

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I'm paying for my own tickets and I'm

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paying for my own hotel room and

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Conference fees you know it's all just

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me as a private citizen and they never

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discouraged me from going they said fine

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go and they only ask me are you going to

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reveal that you're a CIA officer and I

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said no I'm not going to like stand up

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on stage and do anything like that you

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know I mean if it comes up in casual

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conversation I might uh but no I'm not

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going to advertise that and so they had

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no problems or no issues with it

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um and so that was always in my profile

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and so the only thing I can think of is

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that whatever this Navy program might

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have been it has something to do perhaps

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with trans medium Vehicles the knowledge

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that these uaps May travel underwater

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egress out of water into Sky into the

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space and Ingress back into the water

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maybe there's some compartment about

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that and I've only heard uh inklings of

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something like that that the Office of

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Naval Research and this Navy part of

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my old office or oswr and windpak had

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some kind of relationship and that

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certain materials may have been

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recovered and then transferred over to a

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defense contractor

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yeah that way they wouldn't have any

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congressional oversight right well no

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there's congressional oversight because

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anytime taxpayer money is spent on any

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program in the executive branch of

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government the legislative branch has

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oversight the only thing where there's

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no oversight is if it's proprietary

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technology that is that company is

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developing some capability on its own

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dime they're using their own research

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and development money

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to do something so they were like

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research develop and engineer some

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product on their own dime with

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absolutely no Government funding no

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taxpayer money uh that's proprietary and

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then uh Congress does not have oversight

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over that

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uh but if one penny of taxpayers money

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is used in that program there is

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oversight uh so uh so that's a myth uh

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that you can hide programs like that you

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can if it's totally over there yeah yeah

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so there's an exception to that

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um is that if it's a government program

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and everything is supplied to a

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contractor as what we call GFE or

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government government furnish equipment

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GFE

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and we wash our hands off it and say

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here it is oh by the way we need a we

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need you to buy it and I've actually

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have been in transactions where we sold

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a contractor this expensive piece of

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equipment for one dollar a bill of sale

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we have to have a bill of sale to make

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it legal so we transfer it for one

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dollar it's theirs and they can resell

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it they can develop it further they can

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do anything with it but they're not

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getting any further taxpayer money to do

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so

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wow I didn't realize it was exactly like

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that now I had at one point back in 2016

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I believe it was I had Christopher

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Mellon on he did his first actual

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interview about the UFO topic

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um when I had them on and I I asked him

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the question if a president of the

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United States wanted to know

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you know what the government knows about

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the UFO topic

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I said can

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can he get all that information he said

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absolutely they have to tell them but he

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also said that it could be you know like

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a need to know and compartmentalized in

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in a way

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um where the person that he asks I don't

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know how deep of a dive they can do but

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um I guess there are some like safety as

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there is some safety as far as that goes

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as far as revealing everything and he

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also said that um

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when it goes into the private the

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private sector then it's protected but

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uh I believe he didn't he didn't

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embellish

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um the fact that if it had any taxpayer

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money at all involved then

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that does not work

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which is uh which is news I'm I'm glad

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you you said that

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yeah yes and in fact um there are layers

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of compartment compartments many layers

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of compartments and uh the the uh the

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perhaps the uh the least compartmented

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area is uh we don't call it need to know

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it's just the fact of the fact that some

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program exists and the fact that this

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program deals with some issue

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uh any president will absolutely know

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that he'll be briefed on that but he is

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eligible to know more but uh

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perhaps they do know more but at some

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level they know the fact of everything

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but that doesn't mean that you get

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information on the programmatic details

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that doesn't mean that you know who's

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doing the work how much it's costing and

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what the progress is you know they may

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not even know that they may not even

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want to know that there's so much on the

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president's plate but the fact of a

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president would know uh so I would agree

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with Chris Mellon that at some level a

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president is eligible to know but at

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least they know the fact that something

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is occurring and I know for firsthand

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that I was very briefly uh the control

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Access program uh officer I would say no

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a compartment access program control

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officer a Capco for a technical

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operation that CIA has had for decades

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and uh at this time it was kind of

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winding down and they say here John you

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you here's everything here's everything

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about the program and I got picked up

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the file

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from the cognizant office and the

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directorate of operations

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uh so and I can't say where or what area

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division of that uh directorate was

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responsible for this program but I got

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everything and I was part of that

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program and I saw my name there it was

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my name social security number birth

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date and the and the date I was read in

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to that program it was all there and

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sure enough there were like every

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president

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uh since that program's existence was

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also on that list it's called the bigot

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list and so they knew at some level that

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this special technical operations

396
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program which was extremely sensitive uh

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was occurring but they may not have

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known like exactly how we got everything

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staged for this program uh what we

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collected or you know like um other

401
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details of the program

402
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um he the president may not even wanted

403
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to know he just knows that there's a

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technical operations program conducted

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by

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which he is he is the chief executive of

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um on behalf of the US government and so

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he knew like this this operation was

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occurring

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and and successive presidents have

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signed off on it it's called a finding

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you know it's it's a finding uh I

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authorize this program uh so that's what

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happens

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well interesting now uh speaking of the

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president's a number of them past

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presidents have been on the Jimmy Kimmel

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show and uh he

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the first thing he asked them like hey

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what do you know about you know aliens

421
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and UFOs and and all that and uh I know

422
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my friend Ben Hansen did a a really

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great video it's on YouTube and the body

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language using the body language that

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Obama had and he he was saying you could

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see his his uh his uh

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uh he took several like shallow breaths

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and he could tell all this body language

429
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that he was you know it seemed as though

430
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he might have been holding back which he

431
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probably

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was

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um and

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with that

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do presidents get told that they you

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know hey this is I I mean I imagine

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they're told like they can't really

438
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share things I mean when it's top secret

439
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that type of thing I mean I don't know

440
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how that works but I would think that

441
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you know uh if a president knows all

442
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these top secret things he really

443
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shouldn't be in the Public's eye uh

444
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talking about what he knows

445
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especially when it comes to National

446
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Security but I don't know about UFOs

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well I

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I would say yes um like like a

449
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a president uh would not

450
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haphazardly reveal classified

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information

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especially something that sensitive even

453
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to the point that uh president Trump uh

454
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did not want to reveal what he knew

455
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about

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say that he was told interesting things

457
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about it but you would not reveal

458
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anything about it

459
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um and in fact I believe it was

460
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um

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Obama himself that with uh Jimmy Kimmel

462
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he said that they do not want us to talk

463
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about this and people assume that they

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meant uh the defense department

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and I always interpret that as they

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meaning

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um our visitor friends that they control

468
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this uh they control disclosure no

469
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government in the world controls

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disclosure if if these crafts want to

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land anywhere and and

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step out of them they can do so at their

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own will

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we can't stop them from showing

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themselves

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uh and so that's an important point that

477
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they say well the government's holding

478
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back the government's holding back well

479
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it could be that they want us to hold

480
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back if assuming that we've had some

481
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kind of relationship with them

482
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um that may have uh started decades ago

483
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that they do not want to be revealed by

484
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any government and no government has

485
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up to this point that's assuming that

486
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there has been official contact and some

487
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agreement in place and that's a long

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stretch because I can't find any uh

489
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solid evidence for that but you know you

490
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hear things you hear things

491
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um and I like to use the Robert De Niro

492
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quote you know I I hear things

493
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yeah he always says I hear things I hear

494
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things and I've I've heard things um but

495
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I I can't say that you know this is this

496
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is fact because I've not seen anything

497
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personally about that yeah here's a

498
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question that's uh kind of follows along

499
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this is there any one agency that knows

500
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everything about UFOs and how many

501
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people would be involved in that agency

502
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if so no uh no one agency who knows

503
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everything about UFOs because if you

504
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look at the intelligence Community

505
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they're divided into functional missions

506
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and so depending on the responsibility

507
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of that agency they would know about

508
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what they are responsible to collect

509
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against anything whether it be UFOs or

510
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an adversary so for example if they're

511
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any kind of electromagnetic emanations

512
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coming from these craft that were

513
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collected uh obviously that's the

514
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National Security Agency because they

515
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are the second mission manager uh if

516
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there are photographs or videos that

517
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would be the National geospatial

518
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Intelligence Agency because they're

519
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responsible for overhead imagery the

520
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analysis and collection of it the nro

521
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primarily build satellites so if any of

522
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their satellites collected anything they

523
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may or may not know what was collected

524
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but they definitely know that you know

525
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they may have been involved in some kind

526
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of activity where they wanted to know if

527
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is this a glitch or is this you know

528
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satellite working so they have to know

529
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,179
something about why they're looking at

530
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this particular uh constellation of

531
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satellites to determine whether it was

532
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functioning or because we found these

533
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orbs flying over Russian space and we

534
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want to know if there's a glitch in your

535
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hardware and your satellite or your

536
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ground software uh they would know that

537
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massant is part of Dia and Mazen is the

538
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collection of anything that isn't

539
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signals or imagery it could be like

540
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radiological it could be

541
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um

542
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uh chemical it could be biological some

543
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emanation some signature other than

544
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what's coming out of a radar or

545
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communication systems or uh that's

546
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something that's not an optical image so

547
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Dia would be responsible for that and it

548
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was the mass of folks that went to

549
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Skinwalker Ranch that part of DIA

550
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um which is the director of Science and

551
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Technology DT d-i-a-d-t they're

552
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responsible for Madison uh so it depends

553
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and uh CIA uh we're a human organization

554
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:24,500
human intelligence and in uh the

555
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,020
1947-1990 write-up by uh cia's historian

556
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,260
at the time uh he said that you know

557
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,299
UFOs was studied by the office of

558
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,159
scientific intelligence

559
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,679
and the life sciences division was

560
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:40,320
interested in UFOs like Sciences being

561
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,260
like biologists and physiologists and

562
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,080
medical doctors and you know people

563
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:49,140
dealing with like biology biological

564
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,940
sciences they were responsible for

565
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,039
looking at UFOs

566
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:55,260
I mean does that give you a clue you

567
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:56,580
know that there are no aeronautical

568
00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:58,740
Engineers or aerospace engineers in that

569
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:01,320
division but having said that there are

570
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:03,179
other parts of the office of scientific

571
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,280
investigate uh intelligence that we're

572
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:08,520
responsible for these types of uh things

573
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,020
like uh like aircraft and so forth they

574
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:15,539
were responsible for looking at UFOs as

575
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:16,260
well

576
00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:17,940
but that was a long time ago when the

577
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,500
intelligence Community consisted of

578
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,200
basically the CIA and the Office of

579
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,000
Naval intelligence

580
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,100
and at that time the Pentagon was

581
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,620
setting up its uh its own intelligence

582
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,140
Services Air Force intelligence Army

583
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:33,120
intelligence is all you know being

584
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:34,380
ramped up again

585
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,600
uh so you know no one agency knows uh

586
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:42,059
but I always said that for as far as

587
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:45,480
collection where since the uaps are

588
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,600
very visual in their presentation it's

589
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,360
lights in the sky their orbs

590
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:53,340
um their plasma there's something that

591
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,240
will trigger uh collection from an

592
00:26:01,730 --> 00:26:00,059
electro Optical system then NGA would

593
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,740
have all of the videos and all of

594
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:04,559
Photography at least from space

595
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,279
so if anything as far as visuals if you

596
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:10,740
want to see them NGA has

597
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,559
the evidence that you can see

598
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,880
hmm

599
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,980
so you know when you watch these science

600
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,600
fiction movies about we're going to be

601
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:19,679
invaded

602
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:22,980
uh by you know like I think maybe a

603
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:25,980
fleet of craft or whatever it is they

604
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,440
always say you know that these are deep

605
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,900
in space and it's heading this way that

606
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,480
type of thing and and uh you know it's

607
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:36,059
in the science fiction I'm saying in

608
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:38,039
those in the realm of that and like it

609
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,960
stopped or whatever and like so it can't

610
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:43,200
it can't be a natural object uh

611
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,059
uh how much truth is to that as far as

612
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,940
how far out in space are you aware that

613
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:53,279
we have like sensitive equipment that

614
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:54,659
would be able to detect something

615
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,659
actually heading toward our planet

616
00:27:03,950 --> 00:26:59,640
well we have the uh James Webb Space

617
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:03,960
Telescope uh 1.5 million miles from the

618
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:06,600
earth yeah but our geosynchronous

619
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:07,860
satellites

620
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,159
um by definition they're like like 23 to

621
00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:13,679
24 000 I don't know the exact figure

622
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,820
uh but they're that's geospatial

623
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:19,200
intelligence looking back down at the

624
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,919
Earth

625
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,240
and

626
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,240
um we also have satellites in low earth

627
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,179
orbit and medium orbit and and what we

628
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,520
call the high elliptical orbits but

629
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:31,559
they're looking back down at Earth and

630
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,000
so they would detect something coming

631
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,480
from space into the uh over the Earth's

632
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:39,419
uh atmosphere and into the atmosphere so

633
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,059
they can see that but otherwise what you

634
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,520
have are like astronomical instruments

635
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,760
astronomical probes satellites not

636
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:49,440
satellites but actual probes that are

637
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,260
out there uh you know like scanning the

638
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,480
sky these other telescopes that may have

639
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:56,700
uh like James uh in addition to James

640
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:58,679
Webb you have Hubble but you have you

641
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,020
know various other scientific packages

642
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:03,659
orbiting the moon orbiting Mars and

643
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:05,159
whatnot

644
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,600
um and so as far as deep deep space you

645
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:11,700
have radio observatories radio

646
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,580
telescopes listening for signals and you

647
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,559
also have the James West Space Telescope

648
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,539
and Hubble and other astronomical

649
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,580
platforms like that

650
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,320
but as far as the intelligence Community

651
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,419
is concerned it's very much looking back

652
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,100
down at the Earth because that's where

653
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,159
our adversaries live right but you know

654
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,640
I always say you know I people like the

655
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,159
Extraterrestrial hypothesis

656
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,580
um I I'm not so strongly in favor of the

657
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:40,380
Extraterrestrial hypothesis that they

658
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,419
came from 39 light years away which is

659
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:44,940
where Zeta reticula is and they're like

660
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:47,640
zooming in and coming here immediately I

661
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:50,039
always favorite the idea the notion that

662
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:52,260
they've been here longer than we have

663
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,799
and so we're the visitors and that they

664
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,600
don't look like us we look like them

665
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,419
because they made us they adapted us to

666
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:02,400
live on this planet

667
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,580
um so it gets very complicated uh it

668
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,640
melds a lot of various models

669
00:29:14,769 --> 00:29:11,340
uh for example the extra tempestory

670
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:14,779
model by uh Dr Michael uh Masters

671
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,899
he has a very interesting model I am in

672
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,360
fact I highly recommend his book if I

673
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,399
can plug his book yeah I'm reading this

674
00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:24,480
book

675
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,279
um and that's really good I find that to

676
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,080
be very fascinating

677
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,520
um and also like there's

678
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:31,440
interdimensional aspect to this and

679
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,520
there's also uh like a intra or

680
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,200
ultra-terrestrial that they're here

681
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,080
uh they they reside on the planet they

682
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,899
may have bases that we can't see on the

683
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,760
moon on Mars they're like really close

684
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,279
to us and they've always been here and

685
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:49,980
interacted with humans and humans early

686
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,679
on thought them to be Gods uh messengers

687
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:55,679
of the Lord angels of angels of God you

688
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,220
know that's how mentally they were able

689
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:01,860
to Fathom what the phenomenon that they

690
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,679
saw chariots a fire in the sky you know

691
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:06,539
things like that Wheels within Wheels

692
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,380
Landing as Ezekiel uh has written about

693
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,080
in in his book and so I think they're

694
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:15,299
interacting with us for a long time it's

695
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:16,500
just now

696
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,620
they're very much heightened uh there's

697
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:21,120
very much heightened interaction because

698
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:25,320
of the fact that in 1945 in July of 1945

699
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:29,700
we exploded a nuclear weapon right and

700
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,559
that got their attention that you know

701
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:34,080
the kids have found the box of matches

702
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,600
and they're lighting them that's kind of

703
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:39,059
what Stan Freeman used to say is that

704
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:41,100
right yeah is that right I didn't know

705
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,520
what it was that yeah yeah yeah but um

706
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,340
Lou Elizondo

707
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,679
sort of hinted kind of at what you're

708
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,559
saying that what if he said what if

709
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,399
everything we think we know is is wrong

710
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,039
and what if there's been a presence here

711
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:01,140
all along or something like that he said

712
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,899
that on on someone else's podcast and

713
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:05,580
the next time he came onto my show I

714
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:07,860
tried to get him to elaborate it on it

715
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:09,960
and he didn't it didn't really know any

716
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:13,860
more than when he started but he sort of

717
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,620
it was kind of very similar to what you

718
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:18,960
said uh which I heard on another show

719
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:22,700
him talking about yeah right yeah uh

720
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,039
I would say this much Lou was very well

721
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,860
informed he's not a whistleblower people

722
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,840
think of him as a whistleblower he is

723
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:32,580
not a whistleblower he's doing something

724
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:33,960
very official

725
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,600
he has an official function in all of

726
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,159
this and

727
00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:40,500
um he is uh

728
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:44,779
very much championing the the uh

729
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:48,480
moving expanding the sandbox moving that

730
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,059
envelope out you know forward expanding

731
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
the sandbox and seeing what he can't say

732
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:56,000
um he doesn't say anything that he's not

733
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,440
authorized to say he is right he's going

734
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,299
to pay attention to his ndas like I have

735
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:03,899
to I still have ndas that I sign

736
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:07,440
um uh even though I got rent out of them

737
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,299
I signed that I would protect them as

738
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,940
long as I live I have to protect those

739
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:14,340
26 compartments I was read into during

740
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:16,919
my 25-year career so I can't say

741
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:19,799
anything about those capabilities that I

742
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:21,299
learned about

743
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,779
um and and so he knows things that

744
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,539
and I believe he expanded as much as he

745
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:28,980
could

746
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,899
to plant yes seed

747
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:33,179
and I believe other speakers have done

748
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,380
so as well

749
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,260
uh who were a former government

750
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:39,779
officials that they're like trying to

751
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,120
test the waters to see what the public

752
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:44,580
reaction might be to introduce this

753
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,059
particular idea and the public framework

754
00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:50,220
and it's not disinformation it's just

755
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:51,419
information

756
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,539
yeah how how are you taking it you know

757
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,600
what what is your uh what how are you

758
00:33:02,090 --> 00:32:59,760
reacting to it and shall we go forward

759
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,100
or did we just plant the seed and let it

760
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:03,840
germinate

761
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,580
I know I asked him

762
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:07,620
like and I think everybody asks them the

763
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,340
same question do you know things that if

764
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,140
you could reveal them you know would

765
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:14,820
change people's thinking on the UFO

766
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,179
topic and he basically says uh yes sorry

767
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:20,700
hence that yes he doesn't quite say it

768
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:24,120
I'll say I would say yes I I know

769
00:33:30,009 --> 00:33:27,140
at least one thing

770
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:30,019
I absolutely cannot talk about

771
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,299
absolutely cannot talk about yeah

772
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,820
well that's that's interesting I think

773
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,220
people were also writing in the chat at

774
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,200
the time well why don't you just you

775
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:42,539
know for the for the for you human

776
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:45,179
Humanity why don't you just say it and

777
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,059
uh you know his saying on that is he's

778
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:49,440
not going to go to jail for anyone to

779
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:52,679
lose whatever uh he has now you know

780
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,740
just because of he's not gonna reveal

781
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,200
anything he's not supposed to right yeah

782
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:01,320
at the uh Mesa Arizona

783
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:04,019
um UFO Congress a woman approached me

784
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:07,980
wanted to know about uh the uh

785
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,280
extraterrestrial nhi presence uh on the

786
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:13,919
moon and Mars and other places

787
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,580
uh and I said I I can't say anything

788
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,960
about that

789
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,599
I'm sorry and so why not and I said the

790
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,339
same thing I am not going to go to jail

791
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:25,440
for you and basically she told me to f

792
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,399
off

793
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:28,980
oh nice and I'm sorry but I can't you

794
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:32,040
know that's just it I cannot say that

795
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,580
um and and the truth be told I really

796
00:34:40,089 --> 00:34:37,260
don't know

797
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:40,099
for a fact I was never read into that

798
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:44,580
but uh if you spend 25 years at CIA and

799
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,119
you have an agency full of spies and

800
00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:50,280
they teach you how to be an intelligence

801
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,179
officer ncia you're going to hear things

802
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,800
and you may not be read into them

803
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,540
formally but you're going to pick up on

804
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,580
a lot of things and I've picked up on

805
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,160
many things but this one thing is as

806
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:04,980
something I actually absolutely saw with

807
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,540
my own two eyes

808
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,000
and I know the background of it I know

809
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:10,980
the history of it and I can't reveal

810
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:11,880
that

811
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,300
yeah yep I'll give you 10 bucks

812
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:17,880
[Laughter]

813
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:21,119
uh here's a question here uh John are

814
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:22,980
you saying that you believe that ETS are

815
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,780
forcing the government to cover up the

816
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,770
that was um what you said it sort of

817
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:32,720
yeah a little bit before that earlier

818
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,060
the forcing is not correct because the

819
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,880
government at any time can disclose

820
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,920
I think there was an agreement in place

821
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:43,680
what I'm saying is if you believe that

822
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,020
uh you have to make a lot of assumptions

823
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,960
and one of the assumptions is this that

824
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:50,760
Roswell really happened and there were

825
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,099
beings on board and one of them survived

826
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:55,740
and we had contact with that being

827
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,859
telepathically perhaps and that other

828
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:01,140
beings arrived

829
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:03,060
and paved the way for other beings to

830
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,180
arrive and that a former U.S President

831
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:08,040
Eisenhower met with him and the legend

832
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:10,440
is that it was Holloman Air Force Base

833
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,079
in New Mexico you know near Alamogordo

834
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,540
New Mexico that there was some meeting

835
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,560
and some agreements were made that were

836
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:21,180
continuing onward

837
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,460
um if you believe that you have to buy

838
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,619
that first now

839
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:27,180
uh

840
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,520
secrecy would be like will you exchange

841
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,160
to you U.S government technology that we

842
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:38,700
have in exchange for you keeping us uh

843
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:41,599
our existence Secret

844
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,520
and if you do reveal us then this

845
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:46,200
agreement is null and void and we're no

846
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:48,060
longer sharing this

847
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,859
this technology

848
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:52,440
but having said that if we were able to

849
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,079
like develop this technology on our own

850
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:57,540
that they seated it and we were then

851
00:37:02,089 --> 00:36:59,460
taking it up on our own because we have

852
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,099
Smart scientists and physicists and uh

853
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:04,440
so forth and so on here in the U.S and

854
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,260
they were able to develop something

855
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,540
um for government use

856
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,180
uh on their own uh then

857
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:14,460
you know that I don't see any problem

858
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,260
with you know them enforcing that

859
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,000
anymore

860
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:20,640
um and at least divulge the fact that

861
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:22,020
you know there are lights in the sky

862
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:23,160
that are real

863
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:28,320
so all of this disclosure since 1947 is

864
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,180
basically a two-step thing

865
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:33,420
in 1947 the government realized that

866
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:35,339
something was here

867
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:39,420
something was flying in our skies

868
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:43,320
and that in July of 52 many things were

869
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,000
flying their Skies over our Capital

870
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,700
right and at that point it was decided

871
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:50,400
okay we need to like manage this

872
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,780
information

873
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:53,460
because they're showing up and playing

874
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:56,579
daylight you know and uh we don't want

875
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:57,720
that to happen

876
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,660
and so we're going to say that we're

877
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,760
going to say we know they're real and

878
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,560
we're going to continue to study them

879
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,720
but we're going to tell the public that

880
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,400
they're not real

881
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,320
and we're going to study them in in

882
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:13,020
secret and so you have various various

883
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:15,000
programs uh that culminate in Project

884
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,119
Blue Book to to study them and I contend

885
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:20,579
that it continue to be studied okay so

886
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:22,980
where are we at now is basically the

887
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:25,800
government has retracted its original

888
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:28,140
statement that they're not real that

889
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:29,640
they are real

890
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,700
and the other thing that they've uh are

891
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:34,980
now stating is that we're studying them

892
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,460
openly and that's basically it but the

893
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,400
part that we are not going to hear is if

894
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:43,380
there's any cooperation or any contact

895
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:46,619
between humans and them whoever they may

896
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,839
be yeah you're not going to hear that

897
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:51,480
and so full disclosure is everything

898
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,880
it's not only the craft and lights in

899
00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:55,800
the sky which the government says yeah

900
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,240
there's something up there that's flying

901
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:58,800
that we know it's up there and we're

902
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:01,260
studying them and we're studying them in

903
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,160
public now we had like one hearing since

904
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,680
the UAP task force era and so that's

905
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:09,119
that's the only emission they have but

906
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:10,200
they're not going to admit to anything

907
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:11,460
else

908
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,520
and that is what I can't disclose

909
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,760
hmm to give you a hint it's not

910
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,740
necessarily our country but perhaps

911
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:22,140
another country

912
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,060
very interesting

913
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,440
uh

914
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:28,020
so following along that do you believe

915
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:31,619
they dictate more to World governments

916
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:34,740
than just foreclosure I mean disclosure

917
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,280
foreclosure ah how did that get in there

918
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,560
uh I don't know what dictate means

919
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:43,200
because like

920
00:39:46,569 --> 00:39:44,760
if they're dictating to the world

921
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:46,579
governments they're doing a terrible job

922
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,980
of giving us advice uh I think humans

923
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,040
you know pretty much rule themselves but

924
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,079
I think um they're not dictating policy

925
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,880
to us they're not dictating human policy

926
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,560
to us that you shall do this and you

927
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,119
shall not do this they're not

928
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,920
orchestrating conflicts between nations

929
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,440
we do that on our own uh what they're

930
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,000
doing is trying to prevent us from

931
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:08,220
destroying ourselves and then and them

932
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,980
in in the process because as I stated I

933
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,540
believe they they share we share the

934
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:14,640
planet with them that they arrived

935
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,920
longer than we were here and that we

936
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:18,660
share the planet with them and they want

937
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:22,920
us not to destroy them us and them along

938
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,079
with us and so they may then um uh nudge

939
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,560
certain policies for strategic arms to

940
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:33,660
limit strategic arms to reduce strategic

941
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:37,920
arms uh to lessen uh the uh possibility

942
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,200
of going to a nuclear war and that they

943
00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:42,119
were intervened in that sense and they

944
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:44,780
have intervened if you believe leave

945
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,400
in what happened at Maelstrom Air Force

946
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:49,680
Base and other Air Force bases as well

947
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:52,920
as what happened at the launch sites in

948
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:55,079
the Soviet Union and in Russia that

949
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:56,700
there's been some intervention to

950
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,720
prevent

951
00:41:01,550 --> 00:41:00,540
uh these missiles from either being

952
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,560
fired

953
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:03,000
or

954
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:03,839
um

955
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,839
not being prepared for launch

956
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,940
so right you know some intervention at

957
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,380
that level but I don't think they're

958
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:12,780
telling us that you know

959
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:14,700
you know that's not telling the Russians

960
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,220
go to Wars with Ukraine I mean things

961
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:19,740
like that they're not advising that type

962
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,880
of like everyday human policies of world

963
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,460
governments with each other

964
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,060
right right I have uh on the 10th of

965
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,240
January Mario Woods he was on before but

966
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:35,040
on a pre-recorded show he's coming on

967
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,760
live to talk about uh what happened in

968
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:41,520
South Dakota I believe it was you know

969
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,060
at a nuclear uh missile base and it's

970
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,700
just an amazing story

971
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:49,320
um one that you may be interested in

972
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,099
hearing it's uh what what they did to

973
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,500
like they actually triggered these

974
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,180
things were triggered the WarHeads were

975
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,640
triggered and they even drove like

976
00:42:03,849 --> 00:42:01,920
trucks on the uh where they call those

977
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:03,859
doors that blow off from the explosion

978
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,920
uh that cover the missile Warheads uh

979
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,119
anyway

980
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,640
they would put a truck on that when the

981
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,520
thing was activated to try to stop it to

982
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:16,200
try to make it malfunction if the thing

983
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,839
did launch you know I mean it was pretty

984
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,119
scary times according to him

985
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:23,460
um yeah um yeah when you say trigger you

986
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,619
mean a prepare for launch that they were

987
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,420
ready to launch they were they're in

988
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:29,760
launch mode okay yeah yeah yeah uh

989
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:32,520
because you know uh

990
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,060
there's a lot to do with actually arming

991
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,460
a nuclear warhead there are a lot of

992
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,680
things that need to happen in order to

993
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:42,720
arm a nuclear warhead yeah I believe

994
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:46,020
that I bet that yes yeah so I do believe

995
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,300
that what happened to Maelstrom is that

996
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:50,700
they prevented the launch right they

997
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,240
took out uh the uh 10 modules one

998
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,880
belonging to each missile yes

999
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,500
um and uh the Air Force actually

1000
00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:00,359
reported on the fact that these modules

1001
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,109
yeah they're all independent of each

1002
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:08,040
other which is makes it even a bigger

1003
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:09,960
puzzle yeah yeah how it would have been

1004
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,380
done right right so that prevented a uh

1005
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,119
go to launch situation

1006
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:18,119
and so uh it sounds like what happened

1007
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:20,220
in South Dakota is it minnow

1008
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:25,920
Minot yes yeah why not uh I'm surprised

1009
00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:27,720
that you know that they were getting

1010
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,210
nuclear warhead did not arm

1011
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,920
if they went to launch and uh they went

1012
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,079
to their pre-programmed and I think you

1013
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:43,920
can actually dial the yield and also uh

1014
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,260
dial uh the target

1015
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,540
you can actually do that uh on the

1016
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,640
ground and if they went to where they're

1017
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,280
supposed to land uh the Russians would

1018
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,380
have seen that and they would have they

1019
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,300
would have launched they would have

1020
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,220
Counter-Strike and that would have been

1021
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,980
very dangerous yeah but again that's I

1022
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:03,000
heard that's what happened to the

1023
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,619
Russians that they were prepared to

1024
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,660
launch all of a sudden and they couldn't

1025
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,000
stop that they were like what's going on

1026
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,920
you know we're ready to launch because

1027
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,680
they had a first strike uh policy that

1028
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:15,119
they'll launch first ours was a

1029
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,440
Counter-Strike if you launch World

1030
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,260
launch yeah so we weren't able to react

1031
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:22,079
to their launch if they take out our

1032
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:24,119
inability to launch but they have a

1033
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,220
first strike policy they were able to

1034
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:28,619
launch and so Maelstrom happened in

1035
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:33,660
March 16 1967 on March 17 1967 the very

1036
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,660
next day this big truck wheel rolled in

1037
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,359
this big trailer rolled in with missile

1038
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:41,940
number 1000. in the Minuteman series

1039
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,780
missile number 1000 and and in may they

1040
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:48,119
put missile number 1000 Into The Silo

1041
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,500
out maelstrom

1042
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:52,020
just months after this incident and in

1043
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:54,780
June uh that's when uh President Johnson

1044
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,200
spoke with uh his counterpart uh Premier

1045
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:00,599
Alexi cosigan and broached the subject

1046
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,540
of maybe we should reduce or limit the

1047
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,700
number of strategic arms and yeah

1048
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,640
because again agreed that we have too

1049
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,640
many right now we need to reduce uh them

1050
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:13,380
because we might there's a possibility

1051
00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:15,260
of going into an accidental nuclear war

1052
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,720
and so if that happened

1053
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,520
months after Maelstrom so message

1054
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,740
received in my opinion message received

1055
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,660
by our government that we needed to do

1056
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:27,119
something and that led to this tree arms

1057
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,700
reduction treaty which is now being

1058
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,160
renegotiated with the Russians so even

1059
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,839
though that you know Russia is in

1060
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:36,240
Ukraine uh does that mean the U.S

1061
00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:37,980
government has no diplomatic relations

1062
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,520
with Russia we still do things with them

1063
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,140
diplomatically and one of them is the

1064
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:45,960
Strategic arms reduction talks a treaty

1065
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,560
to expand that to make it even safer uh

1066
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,920
and make it less more foolproof that we

1067
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:54,900
won't go into a nuclear war

1068
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,420
yeah that would be nice to to get that

1069
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,400
covered I wonder how many times we can

1070
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,380
blow ourselves up

1071
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,420
you know I've heard I I don't know

1072
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,920
exactly how many Warheads there are but

1073
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:06,900
it's over 2000 I believe in the world

1074
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,339
right well uh they're 450

1075
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,500
um on the Minuteman threes

1076
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:15,839
uh they took there used to be one called

1077
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,020
the Peacekeeper MX peacekeeper

1078
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:22,140
um and then they uh retired those they

1079
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,180
took the mark 12 Warhead off of it and

1080
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,280
put it on the Minuteman 3. it used to be

1081
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:28,319
a minute man hold three warheads and now

1082
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,740
holds one Mark 21 Warhead from the old

1083
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,359
Peacekeeper system and that's what's

1084
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,240
there now they're replacing that uh

1085
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,819
later on in the 2020s with something

1086
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:40,920
called The Sentinel system so Sentinel

1087
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,260
is a new missile to replace the entire

1088
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,560
Minuteman 3. hmm Fleet so I mean we're

1089
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,020
still building missiles yeah but uh we

1090
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:50,880
met we'll be we're building less

1091
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,540
missiles and retiring older ones yeah

1092
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,160
because we don't need to blow ourselves

1093
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:57,680
up that many times

1094
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:01,079
exactly that it's crazy once is enough

1095
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:04,680
yeah yeah hopefully we'll never see that

1096
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:07,980
day uh can you this person wants to know

1097
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,440
if you can tell what agency collects

1098
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:12,119
data on drone Tech

1099
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:13,800
of other countries wouldn't it be the

1100
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,339
CIA no okay absolutely not because a

1101
00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:19,920
donut a drone is an Airborne

1102
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,819
um

1103
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:22,079
vehicle

1104
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,599
and so they're in the air so they'll be

1105
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:26,220
collected by something in the air so

1106
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:29,339
it'll be collected by uh what's known as

1107
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:30,599
um intelligence surveillance to

1108
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:32,700
reconnaissance platforms they could be

1109
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,640
uh from space or they could be airborne

1110
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,619
and they'll they'll see the launch of

1111
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,119
the Drone they see the directory of the

1112
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,520
Drone and so that could be the air force

1113
00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:42,720
that could be the space force because

1114
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,859
they're supposed to have space

1115
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,720
situational awareness of everything

1116
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,480
that's flying uh and so that's the

1117
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,460
physical drone itself flying it may have

1118
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:53,280
a signature there that might be infrared

1119
00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:54,660
or it could be

1120
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,520
um some other signature that they can

1121
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:59,040
detect from satellites uh that's so

1122
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,260
that's like NGA Air Force and space

1123
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,200
force okay so that's one now if there's

1124
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,839
a signal the a controlling signal a

1125
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:09,540
guidance signal talking to that drone a

1126
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:12,780
command guidance signal that's NSA

1127
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,700
so an essay would be responsible for

1128
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,980
that and so although the

1129
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,200
there will be the government entity CIA

1130
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,200
we are human intelligence we talk to the

1131
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:25,560
Spy so we want to know uh if you if your

1132
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:27,240
government has an intention to launch

1133
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:29,220
drones and please let us know before

1134
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,500
they launch them that's why we recruit

1135
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,319
spies in foreign governments the actual

1136
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,660
agents are not us they're people in

1137
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,240
foreign governments working on behalf of

1138
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,920
the government but also working on our

1139
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,200
behalf for exchange for monetary

1140
00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,660
compensation goods and services that we

1141
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,579
pay them to provide us information it

1142
00:48:52,730 --> 00:48:50,160
could be you know we we're we're going

1143
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,740
to do a massive drone strike and so

1144
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,720
there that's human intelligence that CIA

1145
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,640
would get but technical intelligence

1146
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:58,920
will be NSA NGA

1147
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:01,619
uh and also uh the Air Force and space

1148
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:03,240
force

1149
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,960
that

1150
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,599
um have you followed up on exactly what

1151
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:11,579
do you know what they're actually doing

1152
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,540
oh yeah yeah space shut your awareness

1153
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,700
um they're responsible for 50 miles up

1154
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:19,920
50 miles and up that's what that's how

1155
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,940
we define space so from the runway to 50

1156
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,040
miles up that's Air Force from 50 miles

1157
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,380
up onward outward

1158
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,260
um that's space force and uh they're

1159
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:33,480
there to protect space the space domain

1160
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:36,960
uh preserving the use of space for U.S

1161
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:42,730
ah

1162
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,560
this is a friend of the show Tom King in

1163
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:49,920
uh in the Phoenix area so are there

1164
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,740
highways in the sky or swarms uaps we

1165
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,839
should look at that you're have you ever

1166
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,720
heard of any of anything suggesting any

1167
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,720
of that highways in the sky like uh most

1168
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,359
traveled routes yeah

1169
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,359
um yeah well you know there are Flaps in

1170
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,880
areas and they're very Regional you know

1171
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:10,980
right I would say that uh the Southwest

1172
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,180
is a

1173
00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:14,460
and he's uh he's in Phoenix I'm in I'm

1174
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:17,060
in Tucson the Southwest is a hotbed

1175
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,579
uh four sightings

1176
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,500
um and also you have the National Labs

1177
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,839
uh in New Mexico

1178
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:26,700
um

1179
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,180
I would say the Southwest definitely

1180
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:32,460
um is is uh it's a hotbed

1181
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:36,300
um but I I would uh then the Costas no

1182
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:40,200
Cheryl Costa she and uh yeah

1183
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:43,260
and uh she did a wonderful work uh she's

1184
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,420
with uh I believe it's it's a is it her

1185
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:48,180
sister that worked with her

1186
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,760
uh I think it's your partner yeah her

1187
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,619
partner okay yes thank you very much

1188
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,619
sorry for the uh for making that mistake

1189
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:58,079
yeah the Costas have done a wonderful

1190
00:51:02,569 --> 00:50:59,220
job

1191
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:02,579
uh actually like kind of tracking by

1192
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,579
region by ZIP code even of where these

1193
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,839
settings occur

1194
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,780
and it's it's like not where the

1195
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,339
societies occur but where the sightings

1196
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:13,740
didn't occur seem to be like the

1197
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,260
minority like they're everywhere yeah

1198
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,720
you just need to look up you know just

1199
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,819
need to look up to use the that phrase

1200
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:23,520
from a recent movie yeah right you know

1201
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,099
I I mean I went on a UFO uh sightings

1202
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,040
tour with Melinda Leslie up in Sedona

1203
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:32,160
and for Mr King that just said that

1204
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,380
question uh get up there and go meet

1205
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,200
Melinda Leslie make that Arrangement and

1206
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,160
uh

1207
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,380
with these night vision goggles third

1208
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:42,599
generation military grade uh goggles

1209
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,240
you'll see a lot of satellites I saw a

1210
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:46,800
lot of satellites but then again I saw

1211
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:49,619
an object that was traveling very fast

1212
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,400
that stopped did retrograde motion

1213
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:55,740
left and right of its path and kept on

1214
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:56,700
going

1215
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,059
and satellites don't do that folks

1216
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:02,520
some of us do not do that and they were

1217
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:06,059
like things that were flying in a non uh

1218
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,280
they weren't following Kepler's Law of

1219
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:10,319
orbital motion I mean they were like

1220
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,780
maneuvering yeah and so there weren't

1221
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,579
airplanes there weren't anything like

1222
00:52:18,109 --> 00:52:16,260
that they were

1223
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:18,119
as Melinda will tell you these are the

1224
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:19,559
real uaps

1225
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,579
I saw I was out with Ben Hansen out in

1226
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:25,680
in Phoenix at night we did a Skywatch

1227
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:28,140
out there with all his all his uh great

1228
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,800
uh visual uh night vision

1229
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:33,720
um you know binoculars and things like

1230
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:38,099
that and I saw a bat I mean I at first I

1231
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,540
thought for sure I was seeing the UFO

1232
00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:42,420
because of the way it was moving uh and

1233
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,700
then you know it ended up being a bat so

1234
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,280
but there are a lot of things that are

1235
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:49,920
seen with those that type of vision that

1236
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,660
you would not see with the naked eye I

1237
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,000
do believe and I do believe that's why

1238
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,819
we're seeing more like the Navy is uh

1239
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:58,140
you know getting some of those videos

1240
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,819
because they're

1241
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:01,440
um they're in a different Spectrum I do

1242
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:03,480
believe uh I think it's time for us to

1243
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,359
say good night to kgra radio thank you

1244
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:08,460
everyone over there we'll be back uh

1245
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:11,819
next week with Kurt German and uh thanks

1246
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,940
again over at kgra radio and merry

1247
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:17,520
Christmas and happy Hanukkah

1248
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:19,559
so we're going to continue on a little

1249
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:23,099
bit here so uh Mary Grace has this

1250
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:24,540
question what do you think about the

1251
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:26,940
group The Collins Elite and their

1252
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:29,339
opinions on aliens and UFOs I'm not

1253
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:32,520
familiar with them are you um

1254
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:36,480
the Collins Elite allegedly are uh folks

1255
00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:38,040
in the Pentagon

1256
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:40,760
who would like to

1257
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:44,339
suppress the notion that these visitors

1258
00:53:51,130 --> 00:53:47,640
are all space brothers and sisters with

1259
00:53:56,569 --> 00:53:51,140
our best interests at heart

1260
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,579
and so the way they do that is try to

1261
00:54:01,210 --> 00:53:58,559
um

1262
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,220
try to cast them as

1263
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:04,020
satanic as demons

1264
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,160
they try to cater to those who

1265
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:10,619
um through their own religious beliefs

1266
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,160
and their own religious belief systems

1267
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:16,559
will be more amenable to thinking that

1268
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,520
way

1269
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:19,920
and so they want to scare people and

1270
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:23,460
thinking that they're here uh to invade

1271
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,940
us to take take us over and we need to

1272
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:28,920
defeat them in some way

1273
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,500
and to they're not all space brothers

1274
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:33,000
and sisters

1275
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,819
um that's the Collins Elite uh now some

1276
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:37,140
people think well that's just a

1277
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:39,660
conspiracy theory no there are people in

1278
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,859
the Pentagon

1279
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,020
who believe that

1280
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:45,839
and so they do not want to entertain

1281
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,800
anything to do with uh looking at uaps

1282
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:52,079
even from a scientific

1283
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,819
kind of

1284
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:56,640
uh standpoint because they do believe

1285
00:55:01,370 --> 00:55:00,300
that there are they are demonic

1286
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:01,380
um it's just that they're just

1287
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,380
projecting their own belief systems not

1288
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:07,200
that I'm not castigating anyone's belief

1289
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:08,040
system

1290
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:10,260
but they're they closely hold these

1291
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,420
belief systems and that what they're

1292
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,700
seeing they believe is fulfillment of

1293
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,920
biblical at least from the Christian

1294
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:19,500
standpoint prophecy

1295
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:23,940
um that they're they're uh they're

1296
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,280
Devils they're demons they're here to

1297
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:29,339
deceive you and to

1298
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:30,359
um

1299
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,920
and to uh make you disbelieve in what

1300
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:35,880
you believe

1301
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,900
and so that's a real group as far as

1302
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:42,480
um what I know about them

1303
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:43,380
um

1304
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,020
I have not run into anyone who I would

1305
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:49,020
say they're members of the Collins Elite

1306
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:50,460
that is I don't know if it's an

1307
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:54,480
organization or it's a label for that

1308
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,240
belief that they're demonic

1309
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:59,040
um so I don't know if they like get

1310
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:01,859
together and ask the Collins Elite well

1311
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,140
I do know that there are people who

1312
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,020
deeply hold uh religious convictions

1313
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,119
more of a traditional Christian nature

1314
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,300
that will perceive uaps and their

1315
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:14,339
occupants as demonic

1316
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:15,420
yes

1317
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:18,380
I know that uh again I know I mentioned

1318
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:21,300
Luella zondo earlier but he was saying

1319
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,460
that as Superior

1320
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,400
um that he reported to actually thought

1321
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,440
they were demonic which I thought was

1322
00:56:31,849 --> 00:56:30,180
very interesting you know with that

1323
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:31,859
position in the government could

1324
00:56:37,569 --> 00:56:34,920
actually think of something like that

1325
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:37,579
so that's that's uh another interesting

1326
00:56:44,569 --> 00:56:42,059
uh take on that uh this is I think is a

1327
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,579
really good question if and this is an

1328
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:46,020
opinion question if there was a mass

1329
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:48,839
laning of UFOs all over the world who

1330
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:50,819
would handle the media

1331
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:54,000
yeah because what uh each each country

1332
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,740
or you know I mean that type of thing

1333
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:58,380
well in this country uh it's going to be

1334
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,460
a free-for-all

1335
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:01,619
because uh

1336
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,980
we still have uh an independent media

1337
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,420
not controlled by the government

1338
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,339
influenced by the government might not

1339
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,319
controlled by the government

1340
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:12,300
uh in other countries the media is

1341
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:13,619
controlled by the government but when

1342
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:15,420
you have a mass Landing like that which

1343
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:19,079
I am hoping will happen actually uh by

1344
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:22,800
uh 2027 I hope that happens because that

1345
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:24,059
would Break It Wide Open of course

1346
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:26,220
they'll be the end of that there'd be no

1347
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:28,200
more need for disclosure because they

1348
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:30,300
disclose themselves that's what I was

1349
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,040
talking about that they themselves are

1350
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,980
in charge of disclosure if they do it by

1351
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:37,680
this Mass Landing uh anywhere the media

1352
00:57:43,069 --> 00:57:40,680
is in this country uh it will be the

1353
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,079
biggest news

1354
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,079
on the planet but

1355
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,520
going back to the previous question

1356
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:49,200
there'll be those who believe that the

1357
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,059
occupants are doubles and they need to

1358
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,700
be destroyed yeah you know and you have

1359
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,680
that faction and that you have other

1360
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:57,720
factions believing that it's all oh

1361
00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:00,059
don't believe that you know it's all

1362
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:02,579
like computer generated Graphics you

1363
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:03,240
know

1364
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:07,980
you're going to get a

1365
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,599
a wide range of opinions but uh I I

1366
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:15,359
would love to see that happen uh in this

1367
00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:17,220
country uh it will be the biggest news

1368
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:20,099
story ever yes of course and in other

1369
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,260
countries that have uh more or less an

1370
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:24,180
independent press

1371
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,480
yeah I think like you know you again

1372
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:30,000
talking science fiction they're always

1373
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:32,040
like attacking whatever lands here and

1374
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:36,540
that is a very big possibility that

1375
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,040
um there would be some type of violence

1376
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,559
and you know perhaps that's one of the

1377
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,900
reasons that these things are not really

1378
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,119
showing themselves you know it's because

1379
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,760
we tend to be very violent and tribal

1380
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:50,640
and who knows what we would do if there

1381
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:53,880
was like a mass Landing uh would we just

1382
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,760
simply prepare for a conflict or would

1383
00:59:01,549 --> 00:58:59,040
we actually initiate something you know

1384
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:01,559
that's that's right everything well I

1385
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:03,240
think I think the dialogue we have now

1386
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,460
in this country uh even with the recent

1387
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:08,880
legislation uh that passed uh through

1388
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,400
the uh legislature and and it's on its

1389
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,619
way up to the president's desk

1390
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,720
um even with that uh we're kind of

1391
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:18,480
preparing the the U.S population at

1392
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:19,500
least then

1393
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,500
uh by extension the world population and

1394
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,540
to that reality that there is something

1395
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:27,119
there is a presence here and that we

1396
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:28,980
need to explain this presence because if

1397
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:31,020
they show up and we continue to do what

1398
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,059
we did before in previous decades and

1399
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,040
this show up there will be mass panic

1400
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,200
but if you understand that though these

1401
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:38,960
are real and we have five years from

1402
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:42,900
2022 or maybe now four years uh if they

1403
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:46,079
come in 2027 uh for for the US

1404
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:47,819
government to prepare the people about

1405
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:51,420
what is up there and in many ways I

1406
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,660
think uh the word got out uh within the

1407
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:56,640
government that they're showing up

1408
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,420
in 2027 and uh we better be prepared and

1409
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:02,160
and if not there's going to be a lot of

1410
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,200
explaining to do

1411
01:00:08,809 --> 01:00:06,900
um and so I think that dialogue has

1412
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:08,819
happened within

1413
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,099
uh inside the government in certain

1414
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:12,960
areas inside the government that we need

1415
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:16,380
to prepare and that's why in 2017 uh

1416
01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:19,380
that set a clock of 10 years and why Lou

1417
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,020
Elizondo uh earlier in this year said

1418
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:24,240
you know just find a hobby for five

1419
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:25,740
years

1420
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,619
and uh you know it'll all be out in five

1421
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,720
years and he said that this year so that

1422
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:32,400
was 2027.

1423
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:36,720
and I would say I've heard 2027 in a

1424
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,460
kind of an official capacity and I can't

1425
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:41,760
reveal so I think um I I would say that

1426
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:45,240
people in the government are aware of

1427
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:46,740
something happening

1428
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:50,579
and that there's limited time uh

1429
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,619
a few more years to prepare the people

1430
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:55,200
and that's what's wrapping up uh this

1431
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,040
acceleration uh from the previous seven

1432
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:02,160
decades of not even acknowledging it to

1433
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:04,680
now we we are acknowledging it at a

1434
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:06,540
faster and faster pace

1435
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,660
now I heard out on I was probably social

1436
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:11,400
media like Twitter or something like

1437
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:14,520
that that uh the

1438
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:16,740
the report that was supposed to be out

1439
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,079
October 31st is going to be uh publicly

1440
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:24,720
revealed before the end of the year now

1441
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:26,940
I don't know how true that is and if

1442
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,680
it's just a rumor I'm passing along or

1443
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,180
not have you heard anything about that

1444
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:33,359
at all yourself uh the report itself no

1445
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:36,299
I I don't know anything about the report

1446
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:37,760
um

1447
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,200
the Press was briefed

1448
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,440
uh by the Pentagon recently about the

1449
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,599
contents of a report or contents of

1450
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:48,299
findings that went into the report

1451
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:49,140
um

1452
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:54,119
I do believe that the legislative branch

1453
01:01:59,890 --> 01:01:57,900
was briefed as to some of the evidence

1454
01:02:03,829 --> 01:01:59,900
in the report

1455
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,839
perhaps photographs or videos upon which

1456
01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:06,000
the report was based

1457
01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:10,440
uh so but as far as the report itself uh

1458
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,520
I don't know what stage it's at

1459
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:16,740
um because uh

1460
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:19,140
the previous report was a preliminary

1461
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:21,000
assessment was not the report

1462
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:23,220
and it seemed like that was written

1463
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:25,799
first and the actual report followed

1464
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,260
because it was very poorly written in my

1465
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,200
opinion it was just terribly written and

1466
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:33,119
this doesn't seem like a product of the

1467
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,380
old dni

1468
01:02:39,049 --> 01:02:36,900
it was so poorly written um definitely a

1469
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,059
CI officer did not write that

1470
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:42,240
uh but I I think that was like let's get

1471
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:45,240
together that what we have as of what we

1472
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:47,220
collected and put together some

1473
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:49,020
statistics and put together this

1474
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,240
preliminary assessment and they're still

1475
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:52,559
working on the report

1476
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:56,160
and that eventually got released

1477
01:03:01,309 --> 01:02:58,920
um but that could be that there's no

1478
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:01,319
preliminary unclassified assessment this

1479
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:03,240
time around that there is the classified

1480
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,420
report and from it they might release

1481
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:07,680
unclassified parts of it to us and I

1482
01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:08,819
don't know when that's going to happen

1483
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,579
but keep in mind that this is an

1484
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:13,440
oversight function of the legislative

1485
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:14,760
branch

1486
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:17,520
on the Executive Branch the executive

1487
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:19,859
branch owes a deliverable

1488
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:22,680
this report to the legislative branch

1489
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,559
the people's Representatives it's up to

1490
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,839
the executive branch not Congress the

1491
01:03:31,329 --> 01:03:29,579
executive branch to release that report

1492
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,339
to the public

1493
01:03:37,010 --> 01:03:34,400
so there's a distinction there original

1494
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:37,020
classification Authority rests with the

1495
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,460
odni and the Department of Defense so

1496
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:44,400
Avril Haynes and secretary Austin their

1497
01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:46,680
original classification Authority they

1498
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:48,299
have original classification Authority

1499
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:51,240
and they're the ones who can with that

1500
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:54,180
Authority then declassify certain parts

1501
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,339
of the report for release and perhaps

1502
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,740
there's the debate going on between the

1503
01:04:02,329 --> 01:04:01,200
defense department which if they had

1504
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:02,339
their way they would not release

1505
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:03,480
anything

1506
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:06,299
and the odni which seems a little more

1507
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:08,520
forthcoming in what they want to talk

1508
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,040
about what they can release so it could

1509
01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:12,960
be an internal battle as to what can be

1510
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:15,740
classified and what can be unclassified

1511
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,660
but as far as when it happens I don't

1512
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:20,099
know

1513
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:21,599
um

1514
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,660
here's a another question here in your

1515
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:26,880
opinion why has the government been

1516
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:31,440
hiding this disclosure issue for so long

1517
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:34,140
well it's not because uh a spacecraft

1518
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:35,460
landed

1519
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:37,260
from another world and there may be

1520
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:39,000
beings on another world that's an issue

1521
01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:40,260
for science

1522
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:42,200
you know it's it's it's

1523
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:45,240
primarily it's the exploitation of what

1524
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,599
crashed the fact that we were able to

1525
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:53,329
derive technology

1526
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,400
from these vehicles and adapt it for

1527
01:05:00,349 --> 01:04:57,599
human use

1528
01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:00,359
that's one thing the other thing is did

1529
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,700
we get help in doing so

1530
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:05,119
from the occupants

1531
01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:08,520
later that if you believe in the

1532
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,260
Holloman Air Force

1533
01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,780
base story landed

1534
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,579
um did we get help from them

1535
01:05:20,289 --> 01:05:17,280
and that can't be disclosed I think the

1536
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:20,299
part that can't be disclose is any

1537
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:24,780
existence of them on this planet

1538
01:05:31,870 --> 01:05:28,260
and their relationship to humans in the

1539
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:31,880
fact that perhaps that they had some uh

1540
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:36,299
influence or uh some intervention in how

1541
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,700
we developed because

1542
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:40,980
we basically they don't look like us we

1543
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:42,540
look like them that's why some of them

1544
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:45,780
look like us that they look human

1545
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,119
they might be tall and some people call

1546
01:05:55,069 --> 01:05:50,640
them the tall nordics but some of them

1547
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:55,079
look like us and perhaps because we are

1548
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,400
them

1549
01:06:01,970 --> 01:06:00,000
and so that is that part of what was

1550
01:06:04,609 --> 01:06:01,980
gained from our interaction direct

1551
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:04,619
interaction with these various non-human

1552
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,799
intelligences more than one

1553
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:09,960
um and that's that's can't be disclosed

1554
01:06:14,089 --> 01:06:12,359
but the government now is more than

1555
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,099
happy to talk about lights in the sky

1556
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,280
all day long and they'll talk about uh

1557
01:06:22,809 --> 01:06:19,799
videos and photos and you know all of

1558
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:22,819
that and encounters by military aviators

1559
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:26,579
encounters by uh Naval Personnel they'll

1560
01:06:31,490 --> 01:06:28,140
talk about that all the time

1561
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:31,500
they won't talk about who's in them yeah

1562
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,500
how are they getting here yeah where are

1563
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,760
they from they don't want to talk about

1564
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,920
that yet maybe that will be further

1565
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,880
along

1566
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,799
yeah there's a lot of articles that have

1567
01:06:45,470 --> 01:06:42,780
come out recently that say something

1568
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:45,480
like oh there's no sign of you know

1569
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:48,059
aliens or or you know you know like that

1570
01:06:54,589 --> 01:06:51,000
they're like dismissing and kind of

1571
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:54,599
close close-minded right yeah right yeah

1572
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:57,480
yeah in fact uh that came out um in the

1573
01:07:02,329 --> 01:06:59,460
recent press uh

1574
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:02,339
uh recent press event uh sponsored by

1575
01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:04,980
the Department of Defense uh you have to

1576
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:07,260
parse I tell people when the government

1577
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:10,740
speaks they speak literally you have to

1578
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,859
parse what they say literally

1579
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:16,200
don't add or subtract anything to what

1580
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:19,319
they say and so when they said that we

1581
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:22,260
have no evidence of extraterrestrials

1582
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:25,559
so forth and so on they were referring

1583
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:28,859
to in the previous one year

1584
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:33,000
we had reports from military personnel

1585
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,220
and the reporting of these military

1586
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:38,640
personnel we have no evidence that these

1587
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:40,200
are extraterrestrial craft and their

1588
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:43,859
extraterrestrials because most of the

1589
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:47,960
evidence are uh was from uh military

1590
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,059
aviators they're inside their aircraft

1591
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,280
and they encounter them

1592
01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:55,500
and so they didn't like actually like

1593
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:57,299
land and they didn't land their plane

1594
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,859
and they didn't go meet them

1595
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,960
you know they didn't they didn't show

1596
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,059
themselves they show the craft so that's

1597
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:05,520
why the report is about craft sightings

1598
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,980
so the Department of Defense is not

1599
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,900
lying when they say that we have no

1600
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:11,880
evidence because the evidence they're

1601
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:15,000
pointing to is only restricted to that

1602
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:16,319
one year

1603
01:08:24,650 --> 01:08:21,060
and the UAP task force uh you know they

1604
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:24,660
had no they did not collect any data

1605
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,620
before November 12 2004. that's Tic Tac

1606
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,900
right and so when they were asked about

1607
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:32,640
maelstrom

1608
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,699
Moultrie actually said that they were

1609
01:08:40,370 --> 01:08:37,620
not in the Holdings

1610
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:40,380
of the task force which is correct

1611
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,620
because they purposely Limited

1612
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,480
their scope

1613
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:48,000
going back to 2004 Maelstrom happened in

1614
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,960
67. yeah so I I was by golly if I was

1615
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:53,279
sitting on that committee as a member of

1616
01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:55,940
Congress I I would ask better questions

1617
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:59,880
because I would follow up Mr Moultrie no

1618
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,859
I wanted to know is does the Department

1619
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:04,560
of Defense have any evidence of what

1620
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:07,380
happened to Maelstrom back in 67th not

1621
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,660
the task force the Department of Defense

1622
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:12,359
and so he answered honestly they answer

1623
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,020
honestly but they parse their answers

1624
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:18,000
literally very carefully they never

1625
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:20,460
volunteer anything more than what you

1626
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:21,540
ask

1627
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,359
supposedly they're mandated the

1628
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,640
beginning of next year to to research

1629
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,279
all the way back to the 1940s which

1630
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:31,199
would be really uh which would really

1631
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:32,819
open up a lot

1632
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:35,699
a lot of stuff happened of course right

1633
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:38,160
yes yeah so that should be interesting

1634
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:41,640
uh so this person wanted to know what is

1635
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:43,259
the connection between uaps and things

1636
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,799
like the cia's Gateway project the

1637
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:48,839
Pentagon Stargate project is there any

1638
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,000
connection that you're aware of first of

1639
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:53,400
all the Gateway project was not CIA that

1640
01:09:59,650 --> 01:09:56,280
the Gateway uh Gateway is actually a a

1641
01:10:02,450 --> 01:09:59,660
term used by the Monroe Institute itself

1642
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:02,460
so it's the Monroe institute's Gateway

1643
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:03,960
program

1644
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:07,380
uh CIA had various names for remote

1645
01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:10,140
viewing uh it was never a Gateway that's

1646
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,560
Monroe Institute Stargate was one that

1647
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:16,500
was bantued around between CIA uh

1648
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,260
Department of Defense and back to CIA so

1649
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,840
when the program stopped it was the CIA

1650
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,760
Stargate program

1651
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:25,920
uh the Army had something called center

1652
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:28,140
lane and that was the name but there

1653
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,300
were various names as far as the

1654
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:33,120
connection between uaps and remote

1655
01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:36,840
viewing uh uaps were remote viewed

1656
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:39,420
buy remote viewers uh there was a remote

1657
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:44,400
viewing of a uh of a Galactic Federation

1658
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:48,120
done by the late male Wright Riley and

1659
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,620
that remote viewing session was

1660
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:51,960
facilitated by Ed dames

1661
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:54,780
uh so that's that's in the record

1662
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:55,440
um

1663
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,500
Joe mcmonagle remote viewed Mars

1664
01:11:04,189 --> 01:11:01,260
many many like a million years ago and

1665
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,199
and remote viewed it to be populated

1666
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,140
by these very tall beings don't look

1667
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:09,840
human uh so you know that's the

1668
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:13,860
connection uh that remote viewers have

1669
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,420
reported

1670
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:17,340
being in contact with non-human

1671
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:18,900
intelligences

1672
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,030
um

1673
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,560
some people have reported

1674
01:11:34,510 --> 01:11:30,780
without evidence I have to stress

1675
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,520
without evidence that some of these crap

1676
01:11:41,149 --> 01:11:38,159
have no visible means of propulsion and

1677
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:41,159
they look like that the visible means of

1678
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:45,300
propulsion uh is the occupant

1679
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,940
oh wow occupants themselves their

1680
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:49,920
consciousness

1681
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:52,500
becomes part of that craft the craft

1682
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,060
becomes an extension of their

1683
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,880
Consciousness and they can then

1684
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,280
probably using protocols similar to

1685
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,739
remote viewing perhaps able to propel

1686
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,600
that craft where it needs to go you

1687
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:06,239
literally think it someplace and off it

1688
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:09,659
goes the craft itself is a holder of

1689
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:11,100
consciousness

1690
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:13,980
huh with the occupants in it and that's

1691
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:16,140
why we can't make some of these things

1692
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,400
fly

1693
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:19,500
now there's a story out

1694
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:22,679
in social media I could never Trace I

1695
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:25,500
saw it once and I lost it that uh drum

1696
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,420
below Melchizedek

1697
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:30,000
uh who has the Macaba

1698
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:33,540
uh field uh protocols but he was asked

1699
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,199
he was given like a blank check to make

1700
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:39,600
one of these craft fly

1701
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:42,600
using the uh

1702
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:47,159
Kaaba protocols to make them fly uh I

1703
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,500
don't know if that's true or not and

1704
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:51,360
basically that's a deep meditation

1705
01:12:56,990 --> 01:12:54,540
protocol where you imagine like uh

1706
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,000
yourself uh swirling a Vortex of energy

1707
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,860
around you you can feel that energy

1708
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:01,440
going up and through your chakras along

1709
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:03,719
with some deep breathing exercise

1710
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:07,860
uh and that's what he teaches uh and so

1711
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:11,159
that's a form I guess of of projection

1712
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:14,100
astral projection or whatnot but

1713
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,260
uh I I can't

1714
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,440
I can't find that reference anymore

1715
01:13:25,070 --> 01:13:21,360
about that

1716
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,080
if you were given a release from your

1717
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:27,840
ndas from the new defense bill would you

1718
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:31,380
testify if you were asked in Congress

1719
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:34,140
well um

1720
01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:37,980
my ndas have nothing to do with uaps

1721
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:41,159
oh I see yeah so yeah I'm free to

1722
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:42,540
testify about anything

1723
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:45,960
um but uh

1724
01:13:50,090 --> 01:13:47,580
you know I

1725
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:50,100
as any citizen if if I'm subpoenaed to

1726
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:53,219
testify I will testify about anything

1727
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:56,760
I'm free to do so if they uh would like

1728
01:14:01,310 --> 01:13:59,340
need to testify I'll be happy to do so

1729
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:01,320
um I don't need a release of ndas to do

1730
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:03,179
so because I don't have any UAP ndas

1731
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:05,400
again there there are things I heard

1732
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:08,699
during my 25-year career

1733
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:12,480
um that led me to then investigate on my

1734
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,500
own

1735
01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:15,540
and that's when I discovered certain

1736
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:18,179
things happening

1737
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:20,699
related to uaps but I was never read

1738
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,159
into in fact I was re I refused to be

1739
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,159
read into any UAP NDA I had an

1740
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:29,159
opportunity once to be read into the org

1741
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,300
working group

1742
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:31,679
which I've talked about in other

1743
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,960
interviews and I did not want to know

1744
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:36,000
anything about it because if I was right

1745
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:37,800
into it I wouldn't be talking to you

1746
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:40,679
today or any of the previous interviews

1747
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,699
I've done

1748
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:42,960
hmm

1749
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:44,820
yep

1750
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:46,500
another question here is the government

1751
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:49,260
afraid that knowledge that they

1752
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,480
created us would undermine religious

1753
01:14:56,209 --> 01:14:54,360
beliefs and cause chaos

1754
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:56,219
well you know the United States is a

1755
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:58,500
very secular country right now

1756
01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:01,080
and so there's a general belief by by

1757
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:03,300
majority of I think in various polls

1758
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:06,360
majority of uh of Americans believe in a

1759
01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:07,440
god

1760
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,380
let's I put put it that way uh but as

1761
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:12,800
far as like people attending church

1762
01:15:18,290 --> 01:15:16,199
religiously to use that phrase uh every

1763
01:15:21,709 --> 01:15:18,300
Sunday uh twice on Sunday and one song

1764
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:21,719
Wednesday or something uh if uh if if

1765
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:24,480
that is the criteria uh we're not a

1766
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:26,219
religious country anymore I don't think

1767
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:28,860
we're so secular now that I don't think

1768
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:31,380
it will cause any kind of chaos to the

1769
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,719
people's belief systems it will cause

1770
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,300
chaos to the markets to the stock market

1771
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:39,600
it will cause chaos in other ways uh it

1772
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,340
will cause social chaos

1773
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,219
uh but as far as religious chaos I I

1774
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:47,520
think we're very accepting of of this

1775
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,460
and uh and

1776
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,320
so I would say no I don't think the

1777
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,960
government's afraid of like any kind of

1778
01:16:00,050 --> 01:15:56,640
religious upheaval

1779
01:16:02,689 --> 01:16:00,060
uh I I think if you're a dehydrant of

1780
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:02,699
Eastern philosophies that you'll be more

1781
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:04,620
admittable to understand what's going on

1782
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:07,560
because it's very part of their uh

1783
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:10,739
belief system if you're uh an indigenous

1784
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:14,159
person either Native American or whatnot

1785
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:18,900
did you it's part of your culture hmm

1786
01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:22,440
yeah so you know I we have about I don't

1787
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:25,140
know about 10 or 15 minutes to wrap wrap

1788
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,420
the show here uh for I know you haven't

1789
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:29,640
eaten dinner yet I really appreciate uh

1790
01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:32,580
you hanging in here but um I'd like for

1791
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,679
you to finish the show with something

1792
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,960
you talked about in the very first

1793
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,940
interview that we did together and

1794
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,600
that's about when you went to the hotel

1795
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,400
conference yeah can you some people have

1796
01:16:50,030 --> 01:16:45,600
never heard that it's a really

1797
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,040
interesting story yeah right so um I

1798
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:52,080
knew a gentleman

1799
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:55,199
who was with a science office and the

1800
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:57,300
director of Science and Technology

1801
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:58,980
it's with the Science office

1802
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,500
and he knew of my interest in this topic

1803
01:17:06,729 --> 01:17:04,080
area we did collaborate on other

1804
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:06,739
projects related to visualization

1805
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:10,020
scientific visualization so in the 90s

1806
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:12,560
we were playing with data gloves and

1807
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,960
goggles and 3D environment you know

1808
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,300
portraying data in 3D through these

1809
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:19,679
goggles and being able to touch it

1810
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,380
tactile field and we did that in the 90s

1811
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:24,719
and he saw he was he knew I was

1812
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,179
interested in in uh that area and that's

1813
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:29,280
where we collaborated you also knew I

1814
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:31,380
was interested in the UFO topic because

1815
01:17:37,310 --> 01:17:33,719
I had my little alien doll

1816
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,320
which was uh given to me by one of my

1817
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,120
colleagues which I'll give him a shout

1818
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:41,880
out uh and I can use this first name his

1819
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:44,580
name is Mick so hi Mick and we were all

1820
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:47,340
part of this organization right here you

1821
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,800
can't see it but this is the logo for

1822
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,560
the collection analysis Center CIA

1823
01:17:57,229 --> 01:17:54,480
office of technical collection in the s

1824
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:57,239
t that's where we're at and someone was

1825
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:59,460
in that office doing these projects he

1826
01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:01,260
invited me to

1827
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:05,460
um to a symposium one day at a hotel

1828
01:18:10,510 --> 01:18:07,560
and he said yep just and I'll give you

1829
01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:10,520
the address I think it's 1960

1830
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:13,560
uh Chain Bridge Road in Tyson's corner

1831
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:14,820
of Virginia

1832
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,920
and I believe it's a Marriott he said

1833
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:19,080
just show up it's okay it's on this date

1834
01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:21,300
whatever and it's okay so I showed up

1835
01:18:26,209 --> 01:18:22,860
and

1836
01:18:28,729 --> 01:18:26,219
um so uh there was no security officer

1837
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:28,739
at this conference room on the mezzanine

1838
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:30,420
level of this hotel there's no security

1839
01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:33,719
officer whatsoever I walked in

1840
01:18:36,530 --> 01:18:35,640
um there was about three dozen people

1841
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:36,540
there

1842
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:43,679
signed in printed my name signed it uh

1843
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,000
put in um

1844
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:48,000
my phone number and my government email

1845
01:18:53,630 --> 01:18:49,080
address

1846
01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:53,640
there I looked at the other folks and

1847
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:55,739
they all hadu after their name so

1848
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,739
they're from Academia no one I

1849
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,199
recognized immediately I did recognize

1850
01:19:07,130 --> 01:19:04,800
the gentleman who invited me

1851
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:07,140
from the off uh from the uh Science

1852
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:08,760
office and I recognized another

1853
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:10,920
gentleman from my home office my parent

1854
01:19:17,209 --> 01:19:14,040
office uh which at that time I believe

1855
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,219
we were still the office of scientific

1856
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:19,679
and weapons research oswr

1857
01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:22,560
uh one of the offices that had the UFO

1858
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:27,060
account going back decades okay so okay

1859
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:30,420
I saw him and uh I acknowledge his

1860
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:33,659
presence and uh so then they handed out

1861
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:34,800
the

1862
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:41,760
Roswell

1863
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,080
and so the second part of the agenda was

1864
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,960
um the CIA interest and

1865
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,360
alien DNA

1866
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:52,560
hmm

1867
01:19:58,669 --> 01:19:56,159
and the third was a uh about the Futures

1868
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:58,679
a look into the future where there will

1869
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:02,400
be an information technology explosion

1870
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,140
you know that we will be able to get

1871
01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:06,960
information in our hands

1872
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,239
literally the all the world's

1873
01:20:13,729 --> 01:20:10,800
information on the palm of your hand

1874
01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:13,739
that didn't exist back then because in

1875
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:15,719
my pocket which I did not have to

1876
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:17,340
surrender because it was a

1877
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:18,560
non-classified

1878
01:20:25,729 --> 01:20:22,800
venue was my Motorola startac

1879
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:25,739
clamshell phone right yeah that was the

1880
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,260
phone yeah fate of the Ark back then it

1881
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:30,239
was a very expensive phone back then and

1882
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,620
I had it that I didn't have to surrender

1883
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:33,659
it I didn't have to show my badge and I

1884
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,560
sat down

1885
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:36,480
and so there goes the presentation

1886
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:38,460
talking about you know

1887
01:20:44,630 --> 01:20:42,480
how CIA was uh has studied uh UFOs since

1888
01:20:47,209 --> 01:20:44,640
1947.

1889
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:47,219
in the various offices

1890
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:50,520
uh and how in 52 they had to ramp up

1891
01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:53,100
because of the sightings um over

1892
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:54,780
Washington DC

1893
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,560
and um how you know we continue to study

1894
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:01,440
them in secret meanwhile there was a

1895
01:21:05,630 --> 01:21:04,199
program to completely disparish the

1896
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:05,640
entire topic

1897
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:09,659
know then that was the program the

1898
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:12,540
public program yeah you're seeing things

1899
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:14,580
it's not real meanwhile we knew they

1900
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,440
were real and we're studying them and

1901
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:17,760
then he talked about

1902
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,640
um in the mid 50s 1955 the first U2

1903
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:23,040
flight went up there was silver and he

1904
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:25,860
said well they were they were like they

1905
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:28,980
were people thought them to be UFOs

1906
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:31,920
and in most cases uh there were u-2s

1907
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:33,179
because they were silver

1908
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,179
so we we TR we know the trajectory in

1909
01:21:40,669 --> 01:21:38,340
the air where we the flight path in the

1910
01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:40,679
air and along that flight path within

1911
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:42,900
within sight of that U2 people start

1912
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reporting UFOs

1913
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:47,460
so we knew that but then 10 percent

1914
01:21:54,169 --> 01:21:50,880
of these reports that we collected were

1915
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:54,179
not u-2s they were not the a12

1916
01:22:00,050 --> 01:21:57,300
which was the predecessor for the SR-71

1917
01:22:01,970 --> 01:22:00,060
it was also silver

1918
01:22:04,330 --> 01:22:01,980
wasn't that it wasn't that they were

1919
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:04,340
real UFOs so one out of ten were UFOs

1920
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:07,620
and that the McMinnville UFO

1921
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,640
uh uh seen by the trents in 1950

1922
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:13,860
I think it was March or may of 1950 I

1923
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,300
don't remember the exact month but it

1924
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,280
was it was in Life magazine that's a

1925
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:18,960
real UFO it's never been debunked

1926
01:22:22,669 --> 01:22:20,280
because that's one of the ones we

1927
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,679
studied that it's a real UFO

1928
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:25,199
okay so and then so we've been

1929
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,960
interested in Alien DNA since after

1930
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,000
World War II

1931
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:32,400
and it's not that

1932
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:34,380
I don't know if they extracted DNA and

1933
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,780
was able to study it because we didn't

1934
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:38,400
sequence the human genome until much

1935
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:40,980
later in the 90s right right but yeah

1936
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,800
they were interested in something

1937
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:46,080
medically about whatever was recovered

1938
01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:47,640
from Roswell

1939
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,040
since at the end of World War II

1940
01:22:56,990 --> 01:22:53,520
this alien DNA and later they found that

1941
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:58,669
and I'm not a

1942
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:00,900
DNA expert so I'm not going to use the

1943
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,140
wrong terminology uh but like sequences

1944
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:06,000
in the in the genome

1945
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,640
uh we're in humans we're similar into

1946
01:23:12,910 --> 01:23:10,440
what they were later able to recover

1947
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:12,920
from either tissue samples or bodies

1948
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,360
that perhaps are in cold storage

1949
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,820
somewhere that they were able to say oh

1950
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,440
my gosh you know

1951
01:23:23,149 --> 01:23:22,080
that's human that's them

1952
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:23,159
hmm

1953
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:25,800
there was an interest in that and that

1954
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:28,980
at that point CIA started to research

1955
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,260
DNA in earnest

1956
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,080
and that particularly that there are

1957
01:23:40,490 --> 01:23:36,719
familial lines with this enhancement of

1958
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:40,500
this DNA that not only is it alien in

1959
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,620
all humans but some humans have an

1960
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:46,080
enhancement of that DNA and that's what

1961
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:48,060
piqued cia's interest

1962
01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:50,940
and that they studied this in the north

1963
01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:53,940
east corner of the United States

1964
01:24:00,290 --> 01:23:57,540
that's like New England yeah and also

1965
01:24:01,490 --> 01:24:00,300
overseas they were collecting DNA

1966
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,500
samples

1967
01:24:06,610 --> 01:24:04,260
uh and I know that you know recently a

1968
01:24:09,530 --> 01:24:06,620
former director of Central Intelligence

1969
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:09,540
revealed that CIA did have a program to

1970
01:24:14,689 --> 01:24:12,600
collect DNA overseas by using a

1971
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:14,699
vaccination program as they covered

1972
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,640
there was a real vaccination program but

1973
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:19,920
through this vaccination program they

1974
01:24:26,570 --> 01:24:22,020
were able to retrieve DNA

1975
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:26,580
ah from this region of the world yeah so

1976
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,140
uh that was was what was discussed and I

1977
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,360
got the agenda I got the sign-in sheet

1978
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:36,000
there was no classification markings I

1979
01:24:41,209 --> 01:24:38,640
kept the darn thing until the very day I

1980
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:41,219
retired and I threw it in the burn bag

1981
01:24:46,729 --> 01:24:44,580
on September 30th 2009

1982
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:46,739
through the sign-in sheet and the agenda

1983
01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:49,380
into the burn pack along with Eric

1984
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:50,640
Davis's

1985
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,980
application package that when he wanted

1986
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,199
to join CIA he sent us an application

1987
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:57,600
package and so I threw that and it was

1988
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,440
with his uh basically his CV

1989
01:25:05,530 --> 01:25:03,840
it listed all the work he did with the

1990
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:05,540
Air Force

1991
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:10,159
research

1992
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:13,080
did you throw that away purposely yeah

1993
01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:14,760
because I I didn't want to well first of

1994
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:16,920
all um I could have kept the agenda

1995
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,840
because that's unclassified I just don't

1996
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:21,360
want anything to do with CIA when I said

1997
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:23,640
on September 30 2009 when I walked out

1998
01:25:29,149 --> 01:25:26,219
the happiest moment of my life was when

1999
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:29,159
I swore in as an officer a CIA that's on

2000
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:32,460
June 16 1984 I swore in and the next

2001
01:25:36,830 --> 01:25:34,620
happiest moment my professional life was

2002
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,840
when I walked out of that that turnstile

2003
01:25:40,669 --> 01:25:39,120
turned around and gave the officer my

2004
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:40,679
badge and I said I don't need this

2005
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:43,320
anymore I'm retired and I had a big

2006
01:25:48,910 --> 01:25:46,920
smile on my face yeah I wanted anything

2007
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,920
to do with CIA ever again

2008
01:25:54,169 --> 01:25:51,120
it's kind of like when you buy a boat

2009
01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:54,179
the the best days of day you buy it and

2010
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:56,340
the day you sell it yeah they always say

2011
01:26:02,629 --> 01:25:58,440
yeah about that

2012
01:26:05,570 --> 01:26:02,639
um so what was the reaction of the uh

2013
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,580
crowd that was there that day in that

2014
01:26:10,129 --> 01:26:07,440
hotel when they were saying these

2015
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,139
different things well there was no

2016
01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:11,520
restrictions or taking notes some of

2017
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,320
them are taking notes uh pencils are

2018
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:15,659
flying pens were flying I was just

2019
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,100
listening intently

2020
01:26:21,229 --> 01:26:19,500
um no one really asked the question I

2021
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:21,239
think I don't really even remember if

2022
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:22,440
there was an opportunity to ask a

2023
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,199
question that might have been um but no

2024
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:26,639
no one really followed up on anything

2025
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,500
that was said it was like everyone there

2026
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:30,480
kind of were like okay yeah I already

2027
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:32,100
know this like they were nodding their

2028
01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:35,880
heads that they already knew this huh uh

2029
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:37,560
it was like a familiarity there were no

2030
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,199
gasps or anything like that

2031
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:42,239
um at all so I don't know who those

2032
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,280
academic people were but they obviously

2033
01:26:49,129 --> 01:26:47,040
had a relationship with CIA

2034
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:49,139
yeah because they were invited

2035
01:26:54,530 --> 01:26:52,500
by a CIA office and the briefer was from

2036
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:54,540
the history staff

2037
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:57,060
yeah who actually had access to those

2038
01:27:04,010 --> 01:27:00,300
historical records which by the way uh

2039
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,020
the author of kryptos conundrum uh

2040
01:27:08,570 --> 01:27:06,719
uh Chase Brandon said he accessed those

2041
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:08,580
records as well and the historical

2042
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:09,900
intelligence collection so the history

2043
01:27:14,689 --> 01:27:12,420
staff knows what's you know knew what

2044
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:14,699
was in there and so they briefed about

2045
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,739
what was there

2046
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:19,440
well that is quite a fascinating story

2047
01:27:22,910 --> 01:27:21,780
quite a fascinating story well I want to

2048
01:27:25,129 --> 01:27:22,920
thank you so much it's been a real

2049
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:25,139
pleasure I know you it's time for you to

2050
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:27,540
go and I really appreciate your time and

2051
01:27:33,169 --> 01:27:30,060
I and also uh I'm so glad that you were

2052
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,179
able to come back after whatever was

2053
01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:35,040
going on the last time you were here and

2054
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:36,360
we couldn't really communicate that well

2055
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,340
but thank you so much John it's a real

2056
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:40,739
pleasure and happy holidays to you happy

2057
01:27:44,270 --> 01:27:41,940
holidays to you thank you very much

2058
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:44,280
Martin all right take care

2059
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,440
and happy holidays to everyone out there

2060
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:49,199
and we'll be back next week with Kurt

2061
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,179
jamungle now that will be a pre-recorded

2062
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,120
show but I'll be here in chat and uh I

2063
01:27:58,970 --> 01:27:56,880
just he just can't uh be recording uh he

2064
01:28:01,550 --> 01:27:58,980
can't be live unfortunately so thanks

2065
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:01,560
again everyone and remember to keep your

2066
01:28:15,890 --> 01:28:03,090
eyes to the sky